[unedited version of episode 4] In this episode, Nathan Bakken illuminates the ways that the Catholic church acted as a beard throughout their childhood and adolescent life. This cautious coexistence of queer and religious identity became more complicated when Archbishop Sartain (the Archbishop of Seattle) took a vested interest in shutting down Nathan's attempts to create an LGBTQ+ inclusive Catholic ministry. Danielle and Nathan also have a Gender and Sexuality 101 moment, talk military ban, and discuss what Nathan sees as the most crucial cultural shifts that need to happen for trans people to feel/be fully accepted into society.